F.D.N.Y. Open Trackback Weekend

In a stunning crackdown, the FDNY has demanded that all personal decorations, including flags and pictures of colleagues killed on Sept. 11, 2001, be removed from lockers.

New York Firefighters Outraged by Ban on American Flags, Pictures of Fallen Colleagues on Lockers

The controversy began two weeks ago when a sexually explicit slogan was reported at Engine 230 in Brooklyn. In response, FDNY Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta banned all decorations, including American flags, “Support Our Troops” stickers, pictures of family and Mass cards.

Union officials said they planned to hand out 10,000 decals of American flags to firefighters so they could stick them on lockers in defiance of the crackdown.

“No city agency should permit the work place to display inappropriate stuff,” said Mylan Denerstein, the FDNY’s deputy commissioner for legal affairs.

The fire department later Wednesday issued a statement that sought to alleviate firefighters’ concerns.

“Over the past 18 months, the New York City Fire Department has made a concerted effort to eliminate offensive material from firehouses. However, American flags and mass cards of firefighters killed on Sept. 11, 2001, are certainly permitted.”

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Ah. What a shame.

I am conflicted here sweet readers.

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On one hand, the Fire Dept. like all departments should make every effort to foster a workplace that is professional and that promotes teamwork, respect and trust.

No company should tolerate behaviors which are offensive, including racial, ethnic, religious, age-related, or sexual jokes or insults, which includes displaying or distributing offensive pictures.

Most often that means men displaying sexually provocative images of women , which in turn often leads to and invites sexual harassment, either in the form of unwanted sexual advances, unwanted physical contact or repeated and unwelcome sexual suggestions or remarks.

After all, a man will think of se-x when confronted with a se-xually provocative image of a woman, and there is no rationale for having that in the workplace at all.

In addition to which, they are generally viewed as intimidating to women, as they should be. They belie disrespect and immaturity.

On the other hand, not being permitted to display images of lost firefighters from Sept 11, or images of loved ones………that seems awfully severe.

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Having worked with F.D.N.Y. in the aftermath of Sept, 11…I can tell you one thing: firefighters thrive on jokes, innuendos and even teasing. It’s what makes them who they are.
I adore them.
No one is more fun to be around, and absolutely no has has your back like they do
.

Did you know that rescue efforts by the FDNY on Sept 11,2001 succeeded in saving some 25,000 lives?

And still no one in New York can breathe easy about the fate of people who responded to Ground Zero.

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But this issue is complex sweet friends.

Some may not even be aware of what constitutes “sexual harassment”, as it can be confusing and subtle.

Aside from actual physical involvement, there are verbal and non verbal behaviors.

Verbal sexual harrassment may include:
profanity, off-color jokes, sexual comments, threats, whistling, barking, grunts, or even growling……(yes, some guys bark and growl at women..go figure)

Non-Verbal:
Some examples are:
leering, winking, licking lips, displaying or giving sexually suggestive pictures or images.

And while all those may seem within acceptable limits in a relationship, they are not …in the workplace.
Sorry.

Most especially in a place like a firehouse where the impact of sexual harassment can be loss of cohesion, low morale, and can even serve to undermine the readiness of the firefighters.

It distracts from accomplishment and could cost lives.

But not being allowed to display their personal decorations, including flags and pictures of colleagues who died on Sept, 11…
If anything would lower morale, that would be it.

Perhaps, they could re-think this position and allow for specific images to be displayed on lockers instead of the all out ban?

What say y’all sweet friends?

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97 Responses to “F.D.N.Y. Open Trackback Weekend”

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  6. Perri Nelson says:

    One of my best friends was a firefighter in Seattle. Sadly he’s gone now, but he was a pretty cool guy, and he fit your description of firefighters well.

    Come to think of it, my father-in-law was a firefighter in Spokane.

    Firefighters are great people.

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  8. DL says:

    I think what should be allowed to be displayed is any appropriate item for a public building -could you hang it up in a school for example. Items of a sexual nature -whether harrassment or not -are simply out of bounds.

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  22. Gayle says:

    Before I link up a post to open trackback weekend, I want to comment on this most excellent post of yours, Angel. I believe to ban all decorations from their lockers is just plain wrong! They need to rethink this stupid rule, if they are capable of thinking, that is!

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  28. Faultline USA says:

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    Since when has displaying our national flag become a crime? Did I miss something here??

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  39. Rightwing Guy says:

    I was just digusted when I heard about this

  40. InRussetShadows says:

    I guess that firefighter made the mistake of thinking that he was “hanging with the boys.” Guess what, bro? There’s nowhere men left have to themselves. And just how much taxpayer money was wasted on the fact that men in a traditionally male job failed to adequately cater to the women? What did the sticker do to her? How did the sticker cause behavior? Please! Guns don’t cause crime — criminals do. Stickers don’t cause pervy behavior — pervs do. Until you have behavior, you have no offense.

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  49. Night Rider says:

    What Angel Wrote: “Perhaps, they could re-think this position and allow for specific images to be displayed on lockers instead of the all out ban?”

    That might be a good idea but you have a lot of bureaucracy to buck on that one. One of the best ideas when fighting City Hall is to get a petition drive started to fight City Hall.

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  53. bernie says:

    I tried leering, winking, licking lips, displaying or giving sexually suggestive pictures or images to my wife but the only thing that turns her on is wry humor, acerbic wit, and a perfectly executed pratfall. My wife has put up with me for 31 years and 7 months (as of today) and we are still happily married. I should also mention that she has not read one single word of my blog and has no intention to do so. Like I said, we have been married for 31 years and 7 months.

  54. Carl says:

    The FDNY brass should allow its firefighters to have small memorials are various firehouses of fellow officers who perished as a result of 9/11. As long as it does not interfere with their duties, I see no problem with their existance and frankly I think it would be beneficial for the mental health and well-being of the officers currently serving who were present at 9/11. Plus it would be a stark reminder to newer firefighters of the serious nature of their job as well as a reminder of the respect and brotherhood they share with one another. NYC officials banning personal memorials in personal lockers is an over-reaction to the innapropriate materials found in one locker. However this is typical of governmental reaction. Or should that be “governmental over-reaction”? Eventually, cooler, more logical heads will prevail and I predict such personal memorials in lockers will be allowed.

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  63. Brooke says:

    Generally, folks know darn well what is and isn’t in good taste.

    This ban is too much!

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  70. Angel says:

    Thanks y’all for the wonderful comments and links! :)

  71. kerwin says:

    I see no reason to ban something for being offensive. On the other hand banning something because it is oppressive is a good idea. You example of sexual harassment sounds like the later while some one swearing or quoting a bible passage to condemns homosexuality would be the former. The zero tolerance policy supported by the FDNY seems oppressive though the Fire Department does have the jurisdiction to make it law and should do what they believe is best.

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  76. Always On Watch says:

    “No city agency should permit the work place to display inappropriate stuff,” said Mylan Denerstein, the FDNY’s deputy commissioner for legal affairs.

    Since when is displaying the American flag in NYC “inappropriate”?

    9/11 happened. Memories need to be honored. ‘Nuff said.

  77. Pursuing Holiness says:

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    President Bush fought back at lawmakers opposing his new plan for Iraq today, charging that simply being against the strategy without suggesting alternatives was “irresponsible.” He challenged them …

  78. Wake up America> says:

    Pop Quiz!!!!…

    Some will wave their hands and say “thats easy, we know it was the Democrats that made those statements”, others will say, “HEY, a few Republicans are against the surge also”…. so who said what?????…

  79. Pop Quiz!!!! at Conservative Times--Republican GOP news source. says:

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  80. Perri Nelson's Website says:

    Inconsistent Football, consistently…

    This was typical Seahawks, and in fact NFC football. An inconsistent slugfest that was both fun and painful to watch….

  81. Blue Star Chronicles says:

    Soldier’s Belongings are Auctioned Off While he is…

    Army Reserve Specialist Patrick Rogalin had put his belongs away in a Public Storage unit before he deployed….

  82. Ebyjo says:

    Men think of sex when they see women or sexually explicit pictures? LOL…Okay…Let me clue you in…It doesn’t take ANYTHING to make a man think about sex…It comes naturally to them.

    It comes naturally to women to, just not as strong. I’ve been around boys/men for a while, and it comes naturally…

  83. Ebyjo says:

    BTW…what happen to “Freedom of Speech”??????? Or does that only belong to the terrorists…

    Good post Angel!

  84. Planck's Constant says:

    The Subjugation of Jewish Women…

    Favorite Sexual Position:
    Muslim woman: Alive and not beaten too severely.
    Jewish Woman: Facing Bloomingdale’s….

  85. Perri Nelson's Website says:

    More exciting NFC sloppiness!…

    Robbie Gould’s kick was good, ending the Seahawk’s post-season run the same way that so many Seahawk victories during the regular season came… with a field goal to end the game.

    The Saints will be playing the in Chicago next week. It’s their pl…

  86. wordsmith says:

    I see no controversy. Sometimes, I think we throw common sense out the window in our obsession to be “fair” and give “equal treatment under the law”.

    There should always be exceptions to the rules; and in the case of 9/11, the law should be able to distinguish the difference between displaying “offensive stickers and pictures” and displays honoring the memory of a national day of loss.

  87. Mark My Words says:

    Apple iPhone – IMO…

    Now that the orgasms of the Apple faithful have subsided a bit, many are taking a closer look at what is known about the new Apple iPhone…

  88. Mark My Words says:

    The country is getting screwed…

    As said by a UPI reporter. But it isn’t because of what some moonbat types would prefer to hear from a reporter….

  89. Idaho For Cox says:

    Cox Calls Christian Conservatives to Find a Home…

    GOP presidential hopeful John Cox is a pro-family candidate who opposes gay marriage and civil unions and is pro-life, without exceptions. Like Dobson, he wants the McCain-Feingold legislation repealed.

    Cox said he has heard statements like Dobson…..

  90. Ma r t i n @ b l o g b a t says:

    I read this; isn’t this just inane? What’s worse is that you know somewhere there’s an ACLU guy celebrating the censorship. Hypocrites lol. Great post as always, Angel. :)

  91. Gone Hollywood says:

    Woman Dies After Holding Wee for Wii Radio Contest…

    A California died over the weekend after participating in a “Hold Your Wee for a Wii” radio promotion.
    The Sacramento news stations report water intoxication.
    The results of a preliminary investigation released Saturday showed evidence &#8…

  92. Faultline USA says:

    U.S. Military to Ditch the Red Cross for the Red C…

    According to a military source, “This new symbol for the red cross was reported as being currently ready to be instated to our military medical facilities in the near future. . ….

  93. Pursuing Holiness says:

    MLK’s Birthday and One Family’s Race Journey…

    There may be a lot of disagreement on how far we still have to go with racism, in this country. But there should be no dispute about how far we’ve come. Jim Crow laws were still in effect in my lifetime. Today, that kind of open, institutional…

  94. Barize says:

    Why There will Always be Racism by Niger Whyte…

    Nobody remembers how peaceful Malcolm X got towards his latter years, his vision resembling Martin Luther King’s rather than Elijah Mohammed’s. He is either exemplified as the promoter of “black racism” or dismissed as a rabble…

  95. FlasheR! says:

    And some else, come here……

    The most interest!…

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