The WitcheS of LondoN
LONDON - A group of witches and wizards based in central England said on Monday they had forced developers to change the name of a new multi-million pound shopping mall because it clashed with their own moniker.
Property firm Hammerson had intended to name the 350 million pound shopping centre it is building in Leicester, “Highcross Quarter”.
But that provoked the ire of a local coven of Wiccans, witches and wizards who use the name because it refers to a special date in the pagan calendar.
Witches claim victory over developers
The coven had also set up a number of Web sites “to break through the ignorance and misunderstanding, prejudice and stigma often attached to Wicca, witchcraft and earth oriented belief systems” using the High Cross Quarter name.
Um. Prejudice and stigma often attached to paganism?
I don’t thinkkkkk so.
But hey this is Britain wer’e talkin bout.
We knew it would come to this sooner or later.
Whatever ya do Brits, don’t offend pagans or Muzlims eh.
Ya never know what either one has in store for ya..(if ya catch mah meaning)
And how exactly did they force developers to change the name of the mall?
Just askin.
Of course most pagans will just find our version of God to be highly unreasonable and his interdictions against witchcraft cruel and narrow-minded.
Despite the boom that paganism has experienced since the 1990s: book-stores in the UK carrying large sections on Pagan religions, books on Wicca, many of which are specifically aimed at teenagers…and in spite of televisions’ recent enamourment..Buffy the Vampire Slayer or even books like Harry Potter, –
Pagan, Wiccan and Goth subculture are still positioned outside mainstream culture.
Similar themes run through Pagan, Wiccan beliefs and Goth tastes. And yes, all have been accused of and even labelled as satanic, evil and dangerous, and linked to violent crimes involving teenagers. .That is a fact.
A teenage boy obsessed by the occult and the music of the singer Marilyn Manson was convicted yesterday of the murder and mutilation of his 14-year-old girlfriend.
Just as the teenagers responsible for the Columbine High School massacre in the USA regularly listened to Manson’s music…………
Convicted of murder: teenager obsessed by occult
Sure, it’s understandable how the pagan counterculture grew in the sixties because like everything else the sixties offered…..it was a morally undemanding alternative spiritual vision to the millions who feel alienated from organized religion and “having to toe the line.”
And spare me the “innocence of the pagans” eh.
Pagans included Caligula. Oh yes I hear the squealing already.
The things Caligula did and the way he lived were not immoral at the time, so who are we to judge him according to our moral standards right?
And don’t forget Alexander, and a host of other “ Conquering heroes” whose motto was :
Live fast, die young, and be famous forever for your glorious deeds in battle.
And just for the record:
Opposition to a behavior is not prejudice, bigotry or racism mkay?
Oh. I have an ideer.
Howzabout the witches conjure up a spell and make the IzlamoNazis in Britain disappear eh.
Poof!
Seems a tad more productive than stompin round demanding “rights” for the name of a mall dontcha think.
Biblical Sources:
THE OCCULT - What does the Bible say about it?
Concerning occult practices, the Israelites were told:
“When you come into the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire [an ancient occult practice], or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination [detestable] to the LORD…”
Deuteronomy 18:9-12a
The evil Queen Jezebel practiced witchcraft (2 Kings 9:22) bringing catastrophe on herself and all Israel. Over and over, God denounces those who “conjure spells” (NKJV) and those who practice witchcraft and sorcery. The Bible says that anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord (Deuteronomy 18:10-12; 2 Kings 21:6; Micah 5:12; Isaiah 47:12; Ezekiel 13:18, 20
The Bible provides examples showing the folly and failures of those who claimed the ability to predict the future based on their own powers or those of spirits (Daniel 2:27, etc.). God calls the word of diviners “nonsense,” “lies” and “deception” for foolish people (Ezekiel 13:8; Jeremiah 14:14; Isaiah 44:25). God said, “Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing!” (Ezekiel 13:3). If an Israelite lived the deceitful practice of being a medium, it was punishable by death (Leviticus 20:27). The presence of a medium or spiritist among God’s people of Israel was considered a defilement (Leviticus 19:31). All these practices take people further from their Creator, the true and living God.
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July 25th, 2007 at 9:29 am
Angel, maybe the witches, wiccans, warlocks, etc. could take on the Muslims. Wouldn’t that be something? Put a spell on the Muzzies!!!
“I put a spell on you…
and now your MINE!”
July 25th, 2007 at 9:53 am
We have a friend who went to hypnotherapy school which I was dead against but I am not his keeper and so after I said my piece,I shut up.But there were two witches in his class and now he shares a studio with them.The name”Threemoon”….He was a good Christian and now believes it is okay to practise reiki etc….All it needs is a little bit to slip away into the devils arms….
If the witches cast a spell on the “Mozzies”(thats what they are called in India) we will be rid of them !
July 25th, 2007 at 10:00 am
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July 25th, 2007 at 10:20 am
Did you know that IZ LAM has it’s origins in STONE worship??
July 25th, 2007 at 10:23 am
I am reminded of that old quote “Thou shall not suffer a witch to live”.
However I think in the modern context and vernacular it may be more appropriate to say “Thou shall not suffer a bitch !”
July 25th, 2007 at 10:23 am
Well, on the bright side, they did take spelling out of the public school system! tree chears four prawgrass
Naming a mall… wow… what a significant accomplishment for them to cut their pointy teeth on (or is that hats?). Today the mall, tomorrow terrorism, right? Or since burkas are black and occult-ish looking, maybe they’ll think they’re cool. I didn’t see any for sale last time I went into Hot Topic, so I don’t think they’ve caught on yet. Enough picking on them…
I’ve had wiccan friends in the past. And goth, though there is often some overlap they are decidedly different.
Though I disagree with them religiously, they acted more Christian than most Christians I knew. The only way to win hearts is to set a good example, so I’ve been friends with plenty of people who don’t fit into the “curch crowd.” I think Jesus would prefer that to keeping the closed door policy I’ve seen so many churches take.
Sure there are some cultish Manson crazies, but that is certainly not the norm… the wiccans I knew were some of the strongest champions of the golden rule and took doing good seriously. You and I know that good deeds alone won’t cut it, but lets face it- I’d rather have a million people living strictly by the golden rule than a handful of radical muslims intent on mass murder.
Some of us good guys like to wear trenchcoats too. They keep you warmer, drier, and do look cool. ;-P
For a taste of some of the best “goth” music- Cruxshadows “Eye of the Storm” and “Winterborn” (both pretty good “pump you up” “warrior songs” if you pay attention to the words). I put the lyrics to Eye of the Storm on my blog…
July 25th, 2007 at 11:07 am
Mirror, Mirror on the wall
Who’s the most PC of them all?…
Ken Livingston’s London of course.
Where anyone that is against the building of Europe’s largest house of worship (for any religion) is labeled Islamophobic. Yet the mosque is being funded by Saudi Arabian Wahhabis, from a land that does not permit the building of any churches or any other house of worship except Muslim.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:11 am
Wow! I’m learning all the time over here!
Have a great day Angel!
July 25th, 2007 at 12:09 pm
Angel I love it that your not afraid of anything, even the witches comin’ after you!
July 25th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
Near the bottom of the page, dealing with folk Islam and occultism, there is a discussion of occultism in Islam.
This is from: answering-is-lam.org/Nehls/tt1/tt3.html . A representative passage is below:
“All over Africa and Asia Shaikhs, Marabouts, Al Hajjis, Pirs, Walis or Imams act as Shamans. They may use different charms or amulets and cast spells in the name of All-ah (the practice of ‘Mub-ahala’ as outlined in the Qu–r’an in Su–rah 3:61). Here the practice of prayer and the occult are often confused. Shaikhs who are considered powerful (!) are often consulted even after their death; especially so among the so-called ‘grave worshippers’”
July 25th, 2007 at 12:33 pm
What a load of crap!
The court should’ve told these overgrown fools in robes to take a hike!
July 25th, 2007 at 1:06 pm
“Whatever ya do Brits, don’t offend pagans or Muzlims eh.”
Show me a Wiccan suicide bomber, and I’ll begin to get concerned.
“And just for the record:
Opposition to a behaviour is not prejudice, bigotry or racism mkay?”
Wiccaphobe!
By the way: I don’t see a link to my blog anywhere here. ***pouts***
July 25th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
Angel,
I don’t really know what to say about this post. I think that your conclusions about Wicca, witches and the like are probably correct, but I don’t think the examples work this time though. “A teenage boy obsessed by the occult and the music of the singer Marilyn Manson” doesn’t imply that he was a Wiccan.
There are also plenty of counter-examples that Wiccans could use to discredit Christianity and Judaism.
Consider the pedophiles in the priesthood for a start. Simply because a number of catholic priests turned out to be pedophiles doesn’t invalidate Catholicism. Or simply because an Episcopal priest(ess) claims to be simultaneously a Christian and a Muslim doesn’t invalidate Christianity.
There are also people that confuse occult practices with Christianity. Flanders Fields notes the occult practices associated with Islam. How about the ones associated with Christianity then, such as prayer to the saints, and the veneration of “holy” artefacts or relics?
I think that the actual teachings of the various faiths is what needs to be examined and compared, not the behavior of a few individuals that may or may not have an actual association with the religions.
As for the re-naming of the mall… political correctness sometimes goes too far. Shame on the developers for caving to a few people just because they were “offended” about a name. It’s probably the case that the developers didn’t have Wicca in mind when they came up with the original name, and it wasn’t generally offensive or obscene. Without having read your post, I would have never made the association, and without the Wiccan’s raising a stink about it, most people probably never would have either.
What’s next… will we have to raze the Washington monument because our first President was a member of a “secret society” (the Freemasons). Will we have to destroy the Jefferson memorial because Thomas Jefferson (the author of the words “all men are created equal”) was a slave-holder?
July 25th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Angel, I think that there’s a difference between a nutjob getting obsessed with the occult, and someone who honestly believes he’s practicing Wicca. The former is a criminal; the latter may be misguided, but they’re usually not bad people (at least, not the ones I’ve met).
Interesting point, though, with the scirptural quotes at the end.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
Do you know what the wiccan’s teach, Perri? I knew a girl who called herself a wiccan once, but could never figure out what she believed, besides the Earth is her mother.
She just seemed like a typical hippie to me.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
I can’t honestly say that I have done a serious study of Wicca. I do know that they (Wiccans) believe in the Earth mother (the goddess) and in nature spirits. I also know that many “witches” and “wizards” claim to be Wiccans. A lot of “hippies” also seem to be attracted to the idea of being able to use magic. I doubt that that makes them Wiccans though.
I also understand that Wicca is not just a new “fad” religion like some religions. The “history” of the religion that I have been able to find is not quite as spotty as the history of modern-day druidism. It does seem to go back quite a way further than the 1960s, unlike modern day “PC” religions and festivals such as Kwanzaa.
My points weren’t really about Wicca as a religion though, but rather that the P.C. notion of bending over backwards to avoid giving offense is offensive in itself, and that just because some individual people are flawed does not necessarily mean that all people that share similar belief systems should be tarred with the same brush.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:57 pm
Hey, Angel gal, great post as always!
From what I’ve read, true Wiccans are not casting spells to do harm but casting spells to do good. However, we both know that doing good alone is not enough to get into the kingdom of heaven. Besides which, I don’t believe casting spells works and I’ll never believe it. They’re deludiing themselves.
My hubby’s grandmother came from Czechloslovakia and believed in spells and witches. She actually accused me of being a witch. Said I had “cast a spell” on Walt. ROTF! I did, but not the way she meant it! She was also dead serious. Once, when she came to visit us I owned a black cat. Not a white mark anywhere on his jet black body. That didn’t help. *sigh*
God bless!
July 25th, 2007 at 7:40 pm
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July 25th, 2007 at 8:24 pm
THANKS GUYS AND DOLLS FOR THE LIVELY DISCUSSION!..
WHO KNEW THIS WAS SO CONTROVERSIAL EH?.. lol
July 25th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
Hair of spider
Eye of newt
Methinks your blogging is
Quite astute!
July 25th, 2007 at 9:40 pm
I am completely confused here…the connection is obvious to those who choose to see..
There are many possible role models for our youth and adults to follow…somewhere OFF the list comes the occult/witch/mason group..
why is it so difficult to accept the truth..to argue the rule by exception is the fools method of debate…i can find “1″ good anyone in any group, except of course..lefty, liberal,moozie,animal cruelty people etc. The idea that perhaps a murderer helped an old lady cross the street clouds the point of evil..so as the sun will rise tommorrow, fear not the truth it may set you free..
enjoy the Eagles….
Raven hair and ruby lips
Sparks fly from her finger tips
Echoed voices in the night
She’s a restless spirit on an endless flight
Wooo hooo witchy woman, see how
High she flies
Woo hoo witchy woman she got
The moon in her eye
She held me spellbound in the night
Dancing shadows and firelight
Crazy laughter in another
Room and she drove herself to madness
With a silver spoon
Woo hoo witchy woman see how high she flies
Woo hoo witchy woman she got the moon in her eye
Well I know you want a lover,
Let me tell your brother, she’s been sleeping
In the devil’s bed.
And there’s some rumors going round
Someone’s underground
She can rock you in the nighttime
’til your skin turns red
Woo hoo witchy woman
See how high she flies
Woo hoo witchy woman
She got the moon in her eye
July 25th, 2007 at 11:02 pm
Angel - your verses at the end make it very clear that witchcraft (even casting spells for good?) is wrong and abhorred by God. In fact - He finds it abominable!
The influences of the music, lyrics, and lifestyles of some of these can certainly be used as an example of what one can expect from someone in this lifestyle!
Great Post, as always! You go girl!
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July 27th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
I think that Michael makes a good point.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:42 am
Hi Angel,
This post isn’t controversial to me at all. Witchcraft = bad.
The Word you cited settles for me and always has!
Hope you are having a spectacular weekend